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September 09, 2008

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Derfel64

Yeah, an excuse can always be found. After all, if the model is Korea one shouldn´t expect democracy to emerge until some 40 years after troops arrived - or by about 2040. And of course troops can be kept there even longer to "counter the Iranian threat" or whatever.


What i disagree or so it seems, is the level of "tensions" that can be found in Iraqi politics. Most of these "simmering conflicts" are just that: they are simmering below and it is relatively rare for them to explode in open or major violence. Even now with the relatively low level of violence, most of it is still the result of fighting between sunni insurgents vs US-Iraqi forces and Sahwas.

So yeah, a conflict that involved, say, a massive Sahwa uprising in response to a widespread Government crackdown could be really the beginning of a new civil war. But as I say, Iraqis don´t want a civil war and most of the factions seem willing to reach a definitive agreement(s), be it formal or informal, and settle the thing withouth major violence. Maliki is the main guy stirring things up.

BTW, reading news reports over the last few weeks there seems to have been an upsurge of shiite militia activity like the one that took place in January-March this year, before Charge of the Knights. Not sure about but what it´s sure is that some level of activity is still ongoing - US soldiers have been killed in Sadr City recently.

nur al-cubicle

From Max Havelaar: ->"There is never bad news from Java".

Thank you for your frank assessment, AA!

truthynesslover

Gee ya think??Using the troops as props to secure an election?

Alex

A recitation of American successes, grim words of determination, followed by the decision that even though we're winning, this is not the right time for significant troop withdrawals.

Very true. But it's not only McCain who will say that, also Obama. I am not Obama-bashing here. It is the essential fact that popular opposition to the occupation is such that the only way that the US can stay in Iraq is by forced military occupation. an eternal situation. So no major troop withdrawals, no "Korea", ever. That is what both McCain or Obama will be faced with. It is not an issue of a McCainite policy.

bb

AA

Regarding Anbar:

US military deaths in Anbar Province did not drop dramatically into single figures until OCTOBER 2007.

This was more than 6 MONTHS AFTER 4000 extra marines had been deployed there as part of the surge. It was also AFTER the surge-enabled simultanenous multi-offensives between June and September 2007 on the southern outskirts of Baghdad had broken the back of the insurgency, with the results we see today.

So how does this equate with your continual statements that it was the Awakenings in 2006 that finished the insurgency. Who was it who was killing all those American soldiers in Anbar Province between Oct 06 and Oct 07. if not insurgents?

On Bush: Bush has minimised the withdrawal in his last term to give McCain or Obama maximum political space to minimise the withdrawal in their first term.

It's not very likely that President Obama is going to stick to his "one brigade out a month" routine is it? If he does, against the advice of Petraeous and Odiorno, and things start to go pear shaped, who would be responsible?

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