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July 15, 2008

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motown67

I just wrote a piece about the election delay as well on my blog. From what I've read, the SIIC dropped its objection to the banning of religious imagery so that will probably get passed. It seems like most have also agreed to have an open list on the ballot instead of the closed list/only get to vote on parties format of 2005. I also heard back in June that parliament had agreed to not allow Iraqi refugees to vote because they said it would be too difficult for the Election Commission to handle. Can you point me towards some links about having the displaced vote?

Zathras

I don't necessarily disagree with Eric Martin's argument, but think he may be underestimating the force of the tremendous weariness with violence and disorder than must permeate Iraq right now.

From the standpoint of Iraqis trying to negotiate their way through one crisis after another relating to elections, this weariness is an asset. It may make accomodations -- albeit most likely temporary accomodations -- possible that would have been highly unlikely a year ago and unthinkable two years ago. It doesn't make the issues that divide Iraqis go away, but it may inhibit them from pushing those issues to the point where the bloodletting of the 2006-07 period looks about to resume.

As good news goes, that may not be much. But it's not nothing.

bb

Make the point, yet again, as to the delicious irony of proceedings in the Iraqi parliament being the subject of fierce doom-mongering and handwringing by the US blogosphere. Drawing on reports from the free Iraq media and comments by various Iraqi politicians of all persuasions.

One day I'm sure Marc and others will draw a contrast between this and, say, the political practices in Egypt which Marc so rightly decries?

nur al-cubicle

I think I read that the Kurds have left parliament so there can be no vote on the law? How can a marxist army of liberation (the Peshmerga), the PKK guerrillas and the rest of the Kurds be talked out of annexing Kirkuk, anyway?


motown67

They can't. They're going to get Kirkuk, it's just a matter of how and when. The haggling is over how and if they're going to share it with the other groups. None of them can agree upon that.

Eric Martin

Make the point, yet again, as to the delicious irony of proceedings in the Iraqi parliament being the subject of fierce doom-mongering and handwringing by the US blogosphere.

But hundreds of Iraqis are being killed each month in connection with the many conflicts that I described. That violence, and its sources, are what leads me to pessimism. That and the fact that the parliamentary proceedings that you laud don't seem to be able to turn that spigot off.

I don't necessarily disagree with Eric Martin's argument, but think he may be underestimating the force of the tremendous weariness with violence and disorder than must permeate Iraq right now.

Z, that's the hope. I really do hope that's the case. It's possible after all. But it doesn't seem like that's the prevailing mood at the moment. At least amongst the combatants. And I fear that the various flashpoints that are currently down to a low simmer could easily re-erupt in the near future.

nur al-cubicle

Would there also be tremendous weariness with violence and disorder that' s been permeating the West Bank and Gaza for decades with no sign of willingness to concede to Israeli demands, although they endure them? That suggests to me that the violence and disorder in Iraq can go on for decades, too, and that weariness is not a factor.

Anyway, it's obvious that Maliki and the current Green Zone Legislators will never give up power (one ballot box adventure was enough) and that they may be building a Shia-friendly Mubarek style proto-monarchy.


Zathras

Eric Martin is right, presuming that what he meant is that flashpoints in Iraq could re-ignite. Iraqis, and particularly Iraqi political and factional leaders, bear a heavy burden of responsibility to keep that from happening.

Anon 2

All Iraqies should be able to live anywhere they want and the Government in Bagdad should keep them safe.

sockety sock puppet

AlMalafPress.net??? Wow. Thats worse than quoting Fox News. Nibras was right, you are a complete tool. Stick to Jordan and stop embarrassing yourself...

C.

Yet another one of Kaz's lackeys....

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