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June 11, 2008

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Helena Cobban

Marc, a fascinating account. I was especially struck by your ref to Gen. Stone's "almost evangelizing sense of mission" about these prisons. It seems he has absolutely no familiarity with either (a) the way that previous colonial powers have all used mass incarceration techniques as a means of trying to effect social-engineering goals, or (b) the ways that administrators in those earlier colonial systems also liked to talk up the great benefits of their project-- both to society in general and to the detainees themselves.

You might want to look at this (PDF) article I published in 2006 on precisely that colonial-era phenomenon, with special ref to the remarkably well documented case of imperial Britain's infamous "Pipeline" detention system in Kenya in the 1950s.

nir rosen

bissane el sheikh had some excellent articles on the prisons in al hayat a few months ago
the idea that if you teach prisoners a different interpretation of islam it will get them to stop fighting the americans or the occupation is so offensive, they arent fighting because of lack of education or understanding of islam, they're fighting because there's an occupation, thirty years ago they would have been fighting it as leftists or marxists, now the dominant discourse of resistance groups in the region is islamic. and iraqis arent even joining militias or fighting each other because of lack of education or lack of proper islamic training, its a civil war and there are other dynamics at work. and the americans are holding hundreds of minors. and what right do they have to hold any iraqis anyway?

Nell

But I came away troubled, in part by the questions not asked.

Meaning that there was a Q&A and you wanted to ask some hard questions but didn't get to?

Or is this just a euphemistic phrasing for "disagreements so complete that it would have been pointless to raise them as questions"?

I've come to realize that Gen. Stone is the source of the Orwellian new term "reconciliation centers" for U.S. prisons in Iraq, the ones featured in Walter Pincus' recent article.

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