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April 03, 2008

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Derfel64

These self-proclaimed experts are nutcases. Don´t read them. Or better, read them but please also read some serious people. I´ll focus on Rosen.

I have read many articles by Nir Rosen and they are all the same: the Great Sunni-Shia Divide just about to explode in a frenzy of killing, neighbor against neighbor, family against family, blahblahblah. It´s obvious this guy has never studied any civil war. (These pundits usually take Rwanda as their favorite example of common people engaging in senseless killing. Unfortunately, the Rwanda thing was organized by the state and of course, in ended the moment that state lost the war).


The comment by the other guy that the military situation was "in fact, much worse because there are more militias" or whatever he said was pathetic. The sad thing is not that these people are ignorant, but that they think of themselves as infallible and apparently some believe them. These pundits make a living out of writing such bullshits so they must churn out something credible and convincing, there cannot be space for doubt; after all, if they admit that maybe there are things they don´t know, their reputation as pundits would erode.

Rosen is never taken aback by some unexpected development (even the Basra thing which nobody knew anything whatsoever, comes as no surprise). Everything is written in the stars, the sunni-shia hatred, the islamic fury, etc.


If the shia wanted a civil war, they had plenty of posible excuses to start one. The shia community endured endless bombings and massacres. Instead, it (and its leaders) proved restrained and tried not to stir up trouble. These bombings have almost completely disappeared now from large swaths of the country, how much time has it since a large car bomb killed dozens of people in, say, Hillah or Sadr City?

Tensions are running very high, but to say with such confidence that Iraq is gonna explode in sunni-shia (and Sadr-ISCI) civil war immediately after US forces withdraw is, well, no comments. Such articles are worthless.


The guy also says that this is going to happen because "as US forces withdraw, militias will have more space to operate". But then, Basra itself (which has no US troops and, since September, no British troops) is teeming with militias; there are thousands of Mahdi Army in the city yet even at the height of sectarian violence, the important sunni community was not expelled. Of course for most of the past years there have been some tensions but no attempt whatsoever at warfare between sunnis and shias.

By contrast Baquba has US troops but has seen lots of clashes in recent months between Iraqi Security Forces and sunni militias.


So there is no correlation whatsoever. Of course, by predicting some unavoidable total civil war between neatly defined sides, they can hide their ignorance - they don´t actually know which Awakenings are made of insurgents or of tribes, or why the Baquba sunni volunteers are called Popular Committees and actually the Diyala Awakening asked the government to disarm them (that´s too complicated eh?).


It´s good to have another point of view, but frankly these guys are worthless.

nur al-cubicle

L'Orient- Le Jour reports that Field Marshal Maliki has announced new military operations against Sadr's militias.

Zathras

Gen. Petraeus never made any secret of his primary objectives: to improve protection of the civilian population and provide Iraqis with a respite from sectarian strife. It's basic counterinsurgency doctrine, and on his own terms Petraeus has largely succeeded. It's unfortunate that critics of the war, like Gen. Odom, feel compelled to see in every development the seeds of inevitable disaster, and in every piece of news from Iraq more evidence of American blundering.

Having said that, of course, one would be remiss in neglecting how often and how consistently the Bush administration -- and the President himself -- have described the surge in American forces and the adoption of better counterinsurgency tactics in very different and highly misleading terms. Seeking to maintain the consistency of its message, the administration would have everyone believe that we are on a path to victory, and the Iraqi government on the road to democracy and freedom. Its critics address Iraq in the context of the administration's claims for its policy, and thus we find ourselves in this endless, circular argument over what obscure movements by Iraqi political factions mean for the future of that country.

Our situation now is that the American army in Iraq stands in the aftermath of tactical success, achieved in pursuit of an objective that would provide negligible benefits to the United States if it were achieved -- and that can only be achieved by Iraqis. The costs to the United States of this conflict are entirely determined by what Iraqis do: costs in money, in blood, in lost opportunities to devote resources and attention to our many more important interests elsewhere in the world and at home.

Iraqis now have good reason to want to keep several steps away from the precipice of a return to full scale sectarian warfare. They will have seen by now that without the American army there, neither Sunni Arab tribes nor Shiite militias can protect their respective civilian constituencies from one another, or from armed factions within their own sects. Maybe they have absorbed that lesson from the experience of the last several years, maybe not; this is their problem, not ours.

Whether the United States can afford to maintain the commitment in Iraq indefinitely -- Mr. Biddle's "best case scenario" -- is the relevant issue here. Whether the surge and American sponsorship of local Sunni Arab groups are consistent with some abstract notion of reconciliation among Iraqis is not. Iraq at the end of the day is one, mid-sized Arab country. It really is passing strange that the fairly obvious implications of this fact appear lost, not only on an administration seeking to justify the policy it has pursued for most of its tenure, but on so many of its most dedicated critics as well.

anomalous

"They will have seen by now that without the American army there..."
They want "us" gone, and the occupation ended, I want "us" gone too.
"Gen. Petraeus never made any secret of his primary objectives: to improve protection of the civilian population and provide..."
the US with a new base of operations.
You're so full of shit your eyes are brown.

A million or more Iraqis dead since the first war, and 4000 American volunteers.
Isn't that enough?

JHM

Senator Biden seems to have stacked the deck ingeniously, but all the same he can't compel Little Brother to do anything in particular about the former Iraq.

Happy days.

rj

Derferl64 -- Would you like to give us some examples of "serious people"? You don't strike me as terribly "serious" yourself -- prone to screed, maybe. Please, let us know how you evaluate "seriousness."
Thanks.

Barry

Derferl64: "The sad thing is not that these people are ignorant, but that they think of themselves as infallible and apparently some believe them. These pundits make a living out of writing such bullshits so they must churn out something credible and convincing, there cannot be space for doubt; after all, if they admit that maybe there are things they don´t know, their reputation as pundits would erode. "

The freudian projection is so thick that you can cut it with a knife. We've seen five years of pro-war lies repeatedly not coming true, and still they keep going................

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