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September 13, 2007

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Curt

Thanks for the insightful analysis, as always. I hope your take makes the rounds so that we can get beyond the facile governmental and media versions of these same events.

Meanwhile, it is time you jumped from 50 Cent and Kanye, and went over to M.I.A.

Eric Martin

Well done.

Andrew R.

Marc,

From your assessment of the situation, how accurate do you think the beliefs of the Ba'ath party and its associates that they can retake all of Iraq in short order are? Is it the same sort of wishful thinking that causes them to believe that Iraqi Sunnis are 60% of the population, or do they still have the muscle to do so?

Zathras

Future conflict between Sunni Arab and Shia is probably inevitable at some point, and while regrettable in human terms is not really our problem. How concerned ought we to be about Sunni Arab tribes seeking unity among themselves by picking a fight with the less numerous Kurds in the north?

Moloch-Agonistes

While the cocktail of ignorance and bloodlessness has a certain tangy appeal, i'd suggest that future conflict between "Sunni Arab" and Shi'a (Arab) may kind of be "our problem" given the close proximity of heavily armed sponsors in e.g. Saudi Arabia and Iran who are already now engaging in proxy warfare. Meanwhile, when Mosul and Kirkuk go up in flames as a side effect of our invasion, you can bet the "Sunni Arabs" at the gates will be primarily after the oil fields beneath them, not "unity." (Of course, unity is often a side effect of oil fields, so maybe I'm being slightly uncharitable.)

Non-Arab Arab

Anyone else notice that Bush started tearing up in his speech last night when he mentioned Abu Risha's killing?

JJackson

Marc

I would like to pick-up on Zathras's comment re the Kurds. While an enormous amount is being written about the Sunni / Shia dynamic and I think I have a reasonable handle on the players within these blocks I am far less clear on how the Kurds fit into the picture and how you think they might fare in a post occupation scenario. Should you wish to write on this subject I, for one, would be most grateful or if you have a recent article on this topic please could you provide a link.

Adrian

Non-Arab Arab - the death of Abu Risha was probably the first person Bush had personally met who's been a casualty in Iraq.

Zathras

Well, here we go: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/14/AR2007091400469.html?hpid=topnews

I suppose this is just emblematic of the press coverage of all which [sic] is wrong with American views of the Sunnis of Iraq. Or, it could be that the al Qaeda franchise is just trying to steal the fruits of the victorious Sunni Arab jihad. Might there be another interpretation?

aardvark

I'd say a little of both! Seriously, of course al-Qaeda was going to claim responsibility for the murder whether they did it or not (claiming responsibility for such things is a key part of their propaganda strategy), and those with an interest in blaming al-Qaeda were going to leap on that claim of responsibility whether it's true or not (most obviously, tribal rivals like Ali Hatem are happy to have the finger pointed elsewhere, and it fits the American storyline). Doesn't mean much of anything.

In the Iraqi realm, "official" circles have embraced the al-Qaeda claim because it's convenient, while elsewhere it's being treated as a whodunnit. Conspiracy theories are blooming at an impressive rate: Ali Hatem was actually meeting with Nuri al-Maliki when he heard the news of the death! the hit had to have an inside person to get Abu Risha into the right place at the right time! And so on... I don't know who killed Abu Risha, and neither does anyone else right now, AQ claims of responsibility aside.

Zathras

All quite possible. Even American commanders in Iraq, blaming al Qaeda in the hope of holding open a door for Sunni Arabs and Shiites in the Baghdad government not to kill each other while saving everyone's face, may have hidden motives.

An academic's desire, after firmly and at length declaring his belief in one theory explaining Abu Risha's murder, not to have to acknowledge he might have gotten it completely wrong? You might as well not try to hide that one. It's pretty obvious.

Moloch-Agonistes

About that which one cannot speak, thereof one ought probably simmer down and avoid snide comments about academia.

bb

The claim is yet another example of ALQI setting the agenda for the resistence. They have now followed it up with suicide bombing of Sunni civilians in Ramadi and an announced program of killing all the Sunni sheikhs who collaborate with the Americans in the awakening.The rest of the resistance seems to have fallen back into line with ALQI.

I think AA was pretty spot on in his analysis when he said:

"There is absolutely nothing in current Sunni discourse to suggest that any sort of "bottom up reconciliation" with the Shia is taking place or that the tactical cooperation with American forces against al-Qaeda is producing any kind of meaningful integration into the Iraqi state. Far more common is the need to prepare for future conflict with the Shia and, increasingly, the Kurds (see Kirkuk and Mosul). Resentment over the sectarian 'cleansing' of Baghdad runs exceptionally high, and few Sunnis seem prepared to accept any political settlement which does not include their return to Baghdad -- something that the Shia militias (which continue to dominate the Iraqi Police) seem rather unlikely to accept".

What is often forgotten in the fog of rhetoric about the occupation is that the Sunni resistence groups are also fighting for the restoration of Sunni rule in Iraq.

The emergence of the Sunni reconciliatory awakening movement was a huge threat to the the resistance's achievement of its end goals.

As AA has often revealed: the resistence leadership is beholden to its own rank and file. When there was a breakdown between AlQI and the other resistence groups it was the latter who was forced to give way under pressure from its own supporters?


There is absolutely nothing in current Sunni discourse to suggest that any sort of "bottom up reconciliation" with the Shia is taking place or that the tactical cooperation with American forces against al-Qaeda is producing any kind of meaningful integration into the Iraqi state. Far more common is the need to prepare for future conflict with the Shia and, increasingly, the Kurds (see Kirkuk and Mosul). Resentment over the sectarian 'cleansing' of Baghdad runs exceptionally high, and few Sunnis seem prepared to accept any political settlement which does not include their return to Baghdad -- something that the Shia militias (which continue to dominate the Iraqi Police) seem rather unlikely to accept.

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