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December 19, 2004

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praktike

Good show here:

http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2004/12/20041217_a_main.asp

Nur al-Cubicle

The Bush administration will have Clash of Civilizations at all costs. This is from L'Orient-Le Jour.

Syrian member of parliament Mohammed Habash was denied entry into the United States on 13 December at Dulles International Airport in Washington. Airport officials cancelled his entry visa, which was valid until 2006 and issued by the US Embassy in Damascus. Mr. Habash, an MP and Islamic intellectual, said authorities told him that there was a new rule governing the entry of Syrians, who now require special permission of the US Secretary of State. Said Mr.Habash, "The attitude of [Homeland Security] was inappropriate toward a legislator and a representative of the Syrian people. The [US authorities] are unaware of the different currents of thought [in Islam]. We represent a current of moderate Islam; we reject violence and we do not excuse terrorist acts carried out in Iraq." Habash is the director of the Center for Islamic Studies founded in Damascus in 1986, representing moderate Islam and open to dialog with the West.

Nur al-Cubicle

We should do what the Underground Railroad did for Frederick Douglas--sneak these people in for underground lectures or seminars. The other possibility is to hold highly publicized seminars just over the border in Canada or Mexico. The intellectual community must get Feenian on their asses. Phooey on Pipes.

the aardvark

Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch writes this:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004397.php

"here is a French-language story (from the Swiss Le Temps, via proche-orient.info, with thanks to Phil), that gives a hint as to why Ramadan may have been kept out of the U.S. Here is Phil's translation of the salient part:

"According to the bill of indictment, Djamel Beghal, the preacher accused to have prepared a suicide mission against the American embassy in Paris, was preparing Tariq Ramadan's speeches."

Here's the link: http://www.proche-orient.info/xjournal_pol_der_heure.php3?id_article=34161

Anyone read French better than me? What does the article say? What's the reputation of the newspaper - is this WorldNetDaily quality?

praktike

My French sucks these days, but I'll give it the old college try:
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A spectre is haunting Europe. Since the events in Madrid and the murder of the Dutch film director Theo van Gogh, politicians and intellectuals have been evoking the presence on the Old Continent of "parallel societies" founded upon an extremist Islam, sometimes violent, explains Sylvain Besson in "The Times."

Next January 3, there will be a trial that will allow us to comprehend the functioning of one of these "parallel societies." Among the accused: a data entry type, a social assistant, a driver, a washerwoman, some unemployed people ... The six people, all Arab or French converts to Islam, were preparing an attack against American interests in Paris. The 219 pages of charges, which were acquired by "The Times," document their astonishing deviance(?).

In July of 2001, the authorities of Dubai, in the Persian Gulf [duh!], arrested a certain Djamel Beghal. For several years, this itinerant preacher placed his seductive allure in service of a radical Islam that advocates violence against infidels and a return to the lifestyle of the first Muslims. He was said to have begun practicing in 1994, in contact with a brotherhood of Corbeil, the group "Dawaa and Tabligh," considered fundamentalist but apolitical. At this time, according to the charges, "he principally occupied himself with preparing the speeches of Tarir Ramidan." The Swiss intellectual, who has never admitted having met or seen Dhamel Beghal, did not respond to messages left by "The Times" at his home.

The inquisitors(?) think that Djamel Beghal, Nizar Trabeli and Kamel Daoudi received direct encouragement from Osama Bin Laden to carry out a suicide operation against the American Ambassador in Paris. But, according to the statements of their friends, their first goal was to live in a true Islamic society.
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This appears to be old news. Ramadan has denied the charges here:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/041129/29ramadan_2.htm

praktike

To sum up: the original charges contained Beghal's claim that he used to write speeches for Ramadan, but he doesn't claim that anymore (according to Ramadan).

the aardvark

praktike - thanks for this! About what I expected, but it's always good to check these things out.

praktike

I should note that either I translated it wrong, or your source got it wrong, because Beghal isn't a preacher. He followed some Imam named Abu Qatada, IIRC.

Nur al-Cubicle

I'd be somewhat circumspect about stories coming Proche-Orient-info. Googling around, editors Élisabeth Schemla and Nicole Leibowitz seem to have ties to Sharon.

Found an editorial where Élisabeth Schemla says Aznar's defeat at the pollslast spring in Spain was a gift to the "Islamist terrorists." The socialist left have returned to power propelled by Islamist ghouls. Urp!

Scott Martens

Sorry, I have to contend with some real life of late.

I just pulled up the original "Le Temps" article from Google's cache (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:bj_nASYgqlEJ:www.letemps.ch/template/opinions.asp%3Fpage%3D6+%22la+pr%C3%A9sence+sur+le+Vieux+Continent%22&hl=en). The original, which quotes the indictment directly, misspells Ramadan's name as "Tarik". Proche-Orient has corrected the misspelling. However, since the Paris prosecutors didn't spell his name the way effectively all European media spell it, I doubt strongly that they have any idea who Ramadan is. My guess is that they've just written down everything this Beghal character has said, and it seems he's changed his story a few times already.

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