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November 24, 2004

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Jonathan Edelstein

Cole's definitely got my vote on this one. I don't particularly care for his opinions on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and I think he often uses his genuine expertise in Iraqi affairs to pretend to a false expertise on Israel, but MEMRI's attempt to intimidate him by threatening legal action is despicable.

Esmail Hadjihabib

Dear Mr. Yigal Carmon,
My name is Esmail Hadjihabib and I am an American with Iranian ancestry. I came to this country 30 years ago. I did so to obtain an education and did not go back due to radical behaviors of the people of the Middle East. I am politically active with moderate views.

It has come to my attention that you are planing a law suit against professor Juan Cole. I like you to reconsider your position. I have great admiration for his work and believe he is on the right path for helping all people of the Mideast and America.


I, like Mr. Cole, have come to the conclusion that many American supporters of Israel believe all discussions about Israel should only come from her supporters. This politically motivated belief is not what makes this country great. I like to remind you that people who have adopted this as their country of choice, believe strongly that all points of view are important and no one group of people should have a monopoly on the distribution of information. This censorship will leads to dictatorship and eventual destruction of this great experience called democracy. I therefore urge all my friends to actively participate in this camping against your desire to control information.

I thank you for reading this letter and urge you to reconsider your position. Those of us who believe strongly in democracy will staunchly defend Mr. Cole's right to express his view.


Geo

Dear the aardvark,

I'm pretty sure, from a rereading of Dr. Cole's post, that a lawsuit has been threatened against him, but not actually filed.

Because you ever-so-slightly misrepresented the truth in a trivial way, even though all of your central points are intelligent and valid, we here at MEMRI plan to sue you unless you remove all of your statements!

Thank you for your time.

the aardvark

"Threatened to sue", not "filed a lawsuit" - my mistake, as several emailers and others have pointed out. Sorry.

praktike

Nice work. As I think I said before, I think the most egregious part of the MEMRI translation you talk about is their insertion of "US," which clearly was not there at all.

reader

I suggest you check Martin Kramer's latest Sandstorm entry. He not only fact checks and debunks Cole's lies about MEMRI, he also reveals that two years ago Juan Cole threatened Kramer and Daniel Pipes with a frivolous lawsuit of his own. Isn't this a little hypocritical?

John

I've been quoting MEMRI at my site, Crossroads Arabia. Sometimes they get it right; sometimes they slip in the extraneous adjective that changes reality. Their translations are, on the whole, good. But when they err, the errors always seem to go in an anti-Arab/anti-Muslim way. That certainly gives pause to wonder.

As`ad AbuKhalil

Really good abuaardvark. I agree that Juan Cole was too easy on them.

Martin Kramer

I invite all of you over to Sandstorm, to read about how Juan Cole threatened myself and Daniel Pipes with a frivolous lawsuit over web content. I am amused to see him posing now as a champion of (and martyr for) freedom of expression on the web. I don't think I ever got a letter quite like the one he sent me (and it wasn't even my website...)

http://www.martinkramer.org/pages/899529/index.htm

Gary Sauer-Thompson

Abu,
I've come a bit late to this. I'm with Cole on this.

As Adorno wrote, critique is essential to all democracy. It is essential in terms of freedom to criticize and in the checks and balances within the federal separation of powers, where each work by subjecting the others of critique.

Critique is both the lifeblood of democracy and a sign of political maturity as it signifies a citizen thinking and speaking for him/herself.

What we see here with MEMRI and the threat of SLAPPS is a dampening down of critique and and a desire to bring it to a halt.

Diana

This lawsuit will get about as far as Richard's Perle's threatened lawsuit against Sy Hersh, which was not filed by the time the statute of limitations for libel expired. Time to institute another "lawsuit watch" like those guys at Slate did for that idiot Perle, we can count down the weeks until it's clear MEMRI doesn't mean what it says.

But then those guys never do, do they?

Kirk

Mr. Kramer,

How nice to finally get a chance to interact with you.

I find it quite a stretch to compare the Juan Cole-MEMRI flap with Campus Watch. He apparently erred in the funding figures (which are still unavailable), and accused MEMRI of cherry-picking the Arab media. Should the funding error merit a SLAPP warning? Do you believe that MEMRI maintains a balance in its presentation of Arab media? If so, where is the fulcrum in their cartoon section?

Furthermore, how can you claim to have no connection with Campus Watch? You're the editor of the Middle East Quarterly, located with Campus Watch and Daniel Pipes' other projects at the Middle East Forum. Perhaps I'm unfair in pairing your projects with Pipes', but your online presence suggests collaboration with him.

Then again, you might very well disregard these comments since I graduated from the infamous Univ. of Chicago's Near Eastern studies dep't that you deride in "Ivory Towers," which chastises academics for failing to predict 9/11. Campus Watch's chronicle of anti-semitism at the University of Chicago was a list of wholly unverified "reports" from students.

the aardvark

Gosh, while I've been off eating turkey, the Juan Cole/MEMRI episode seems to have taken a detour. Martin Kramer published that email sent by Cole to Kramer and Daniel Pipes after the launch of Campus Watch in which Cole threatened legal action, and everyone has exploded into a big bundle of Thanksgiving frenzy!

So what do I think? Well, first off, I seem to be one of the very few people around on decent terms with both Kramer and Cole, and I'd like to keep it that way! And let's be honest... when Martin Kramer and Juan Cole start calling each other names, it just makes me think of that great line from the Buffy musical: "Dawn's in trouble? Must be Tuesday."

I don't actually have much of an opinion on the lawsuit questions. Some of the sideline lawyering and semantic exercises seem pretty silly to me - the MEMRI letter speaks for itself. Nor do I have anything particularly innovative to say about the whole mess. MEMRI shouldn't have threatened Cole, Cole shouldn't have threatened Campus Watch. Enough with the legal threats. Threats bad.

Especially when they distract everyone from the real point: it's all about MEMRI and whether or not they cherry-pick; I agree with Cole that they do. The closest analogy for me would be Fox threatening to sue someone who accuses them of having a conservative bias.

What provoked this post was MEMRI's brazen denial that they engage in selective translations. I argue that they do, and further maintain that this renders it an unreliable and largely pernicious source on the Middle East. This post gave a fairly detailed explanation, with evidence, of how I think MEMRI behaved badly in the wilayet affair (hopefully, the obscure double-trackback guy who selectively quoted me in defense of MEMRI's selective quotations is capable of understanding the role which "evidence" plays in evaluating arguments). There are lots of other examples which I've given before, and will continue to give, of this cherry-picking.

So Kramer's intervention might muddy the waters for some people about Cole, but hopefully won't distract from what I see as the core issue: that on the matter of MEMRI's reliablity, Cole was right.

Brian Ulrich

"Well, first off, I seem to be one of the very few people around on decent terms with both Kramer and Cole, and I'd like to keep it that way!"

Would this make you the Bill Clinton of the Middle Easternist blogosphere?

Jay

For the record: Carmon should immediately retract his litigation threat. It's an outrageous attempt to muzzle free speech.

It would be decent if Cole apologized for threatening to sue Martin Kramer, but let's not hold our breath.

The real issue here is MEMRI's reliability and credibility and whether Cole's "cherrypicking" charge invalidates MEMRI. My gut tells me that MEMRI probably does cherrypick, emphasis on the word "probably" because I do not read Arabic.

But doesn't this conveniently ignore the fact that all of these newspapers are either government-controlled, or at the very least, severely censored. Is Cole of Abu A. seriously saying that the Arab world isn't infected by paranoia about Jews?

Arabs and Arab states have legitimate criticisms of Israel and Israelis--but that is a different issue than the one at hand. I haven't read MEMRI in a while, but I know that state controlled television in Lebanon and Egypt puts on soap-operas that repeat the blood libel. Why is it so impossible for Cole or Abu A. to admit that there is a huge civilizational problem in the Arab world that goes well beyond legitimate criticism of Israeli government actions? This blind spot belies Cole's stance as a disinterested purveyor of truth. He's a propagandist.

My suggestion is that Cole get a life, the first step of which would be to start a competing translation service, which doesn't "cherrypick" articles from the Arabic press, but which reflects them fairly, from his point of view.

Again, I'm not holding my breath. I think that Cole and his ilk prefer to languish in a pool of self-pity, blaming the evil Zionists for their plight.

the aardvark

Jay -
Starting a reliable, non-biased translation service is easier said than done. It takes time and money, which academics don't really have for the most part. I think it's a great idea, and one which has been bandied about a lot, but until someone steps forward with funding it isn't going to happen. I hope it does.

Is there hatred of Israel and Jews in the Arab media? Of course. But it's just as big a mistake to pretend that this is the only thing in the Arab media as it is to deny that it's there at all. That's my problem with MEMRI - not that they point to ugly stuff, which really is there, but that they focus on this to the exclusion of other vitally important trends.

And here's something which is pretty interesting, and important: the anti-Semitic crap is far more likely to be found in the state media - like the Egyptian and Syrian you mention - than in the more independent, transnational media like al Jazeera or al Arabiya (TV) or al Hayat and al Sharq al Awsat (press). And that's where the real action is, and the momentum.

As for me, I just blog about things that interest me or are relevant to my research, and try not to spend too much time on something which is, remember, just an uncompensated hobby. I don't claim to be a comprehensive window into the Middle Eastern media. There are plenty of people - you know who they are - who devote their time to lambasting Arabs and Muslims. I prefer to spend my limited time on other things.

The snipe at Cole is just silly. Get a life? He *has* a life, as a professor.. which, believe it or not, is a full time job; as the editor of the International Journal of Middle Eastern Studies, far and away the premiere academic journal in the field; and now as the president-elect of MESA. So life-wise, he's doing just fine. I have my own disagreements with Cole's work, which might not be as obvious as my disagreements with, say, Martin Kramer. But I respect his effort and his expertise, and find it pretty funny how easily those are dismissed by his critics.

Jamal

I'll second Abu Aardvark's remarks about how difficult it is to start such a translation service, because I actually did try. We had mock-ups, we applied for 501(c)3 status, bandied the idea about among a few interested parties in academia and on the Hill, even got one small funding pledge beyond the thousand bucks or so of our own money we spent. Besides for finding that such an undertaking really does take a lot of money that isn't easy to come by (unless you can find a rich Gulfie uncle who will immediately lay you open to accusations of being controlled by the rich Sheikh), we also discovered that the unfortunate reality of us already having jobs and lives made it darn near impossible - at least at this stage in our families and careers - to do it. Every 3 months or so we'd pick up the pieces and try to essentially start from scratch again only to run out of time and steam again. It ain't easy, you can really only do something like this if (1) you've got a lot of money which the folks at MEMRI clearly do, and (2) you can more or less dedicate yourself full time to it as Yigal Carmon certainly appears to do.

Jay

AA: I'll respond point by point.

until someone steps forward with funding it isn't going to happen. I hope it does.

No, until someone does some active fundraising it won't happen.

Is there hatred of Israel and Jews in the Arab media? Of course. But it's just as big a mistake to pretend that this is the only thing in the Arab media as it is to deny that it's there at all. That's my problem with MEMRI - not that they point to ugly stuff, which really is there, but that they focus on this to the exclusion of other vitally important trends.

What a complete and total piece of equivocation. Would you say the same thing if one racist television show appeared on PBS? It was only one racist show....why concentrate on that one racist show when there is so much good programming on PBS?

You know perfectly well you wouldn't. You'd scream bloody murder.

Why is this different?

A good example would be the Ramadan broadcast in Egypt of "Knight without a Horse". During frikking Ramadan...and this wasn't the first time something like that ran in an Arab country: Lebanon did something of the sort. Are you suggesting that this kind of garbage is rare? Nope, because you then go on to say:

And here's something which is pretty interesting, and important: the anti-Semitic crap is far more likely to be found in the state media - like the Egyptian and Syrian you mention - than in the more independent, transnational media like al Jazeera or al Arabiya (TV) or al Hayat and al Sharq al Awsat (press). And that's where the real action is, and the momentum.

OK.... now you are saying that this anti-Semitic "crap" really does exist, while criticizing MEMRI for pointing it out?

Long may the momentum away from the state-controlled poison-purveyors last, but how many generations of cultural fumigation will it take before the anti-Semitism, which has been inculcated by the state-controlled media, is leached out of the Arab people?

It sounds to me, AA, that what you spend your time on is denial of the truth, and in transmitting a prettified version of reality to your students.

GregPotemkin

Greetings and/or salaam Abu Aardvark,

I just came across your blog, and I must say that I am very impressed.

On a side note, I would point out that some of memri’s attempts to portray Arabs and Muslims in a negative fashion are downright funny. This particular link http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=371 was designed to make the case that Arab/Muslims don’t care about their children and/or are so different from us good westerners because they actually glory in the death of their own children.

Of course, all but the utterly brain-dead and/or brainwashed would realize that we good westerners also glorify the deaths of our martyr/heroes who give their lives for our country. But apparently, much of Memri’s purpose is to keep up a steady barrage of translation, tapes and transcripts designed to re-enforce the goofy “thought” processes of those brain-dead and brainwashed people who provide the core support for the Zionists based on their hatred for or complete inability to identify with the A-rabs.

Someone recently posted a link to this transcript http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=371
And then it was used to start a thread on a web-board which I occasionally use here.

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=44966

I thought that it was actually kind of interesting to read the reactions from both the thoughtful people as well as the brain-dead and brainwashed who were targetted by memri.

Anyhow,

I enjoy your blog, and keep up the good work.

Greg Potemkin

p.s. - I am of the opinion that Memri produces this stuff primarily for the purpose of allowing it to be used by the Zionist supporting press, which inserts the spin. On the occasion of this thread posting on shiachat.com, it was far less successful, since the spin-meister was not nearly as talented, and his audience was not primed for silly argument.

the aardvark

Jay -
Since I've never said that anti-Semitic crap doesn't exist in the Arab media, I'm not contradicting myself. What I've said, many times, is that this is only one part of a much more complex reality. If MEMRI showed us five interesting examinations of the problem of Arab reform, a few articles angrily arguing with each other over the real meaningo of jihad, a bunch of essays sharply disagreeing over whether or not Iraqi or Palestinian elections should be held, and one anti-Israeli rant, I would not attack them for translating the anti-Israeli rant. That's part of the picture. But if the anti-Israeli rant is the only thing which they translate, then they are cherry-picking.

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