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Waleed

I think the title "Crown Prince" is used only when the King wishes his successor to be a brother rather than his eldest son. While a Royal Decree at any time can change everything, as might the Army in a time of crisis, it would seem that legally Abdullah's son is automatically successor (with a Regent, appointed by the Council of Ministers if the King didn't leave one, filling in until prince is 18).

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CHAPTER FOUR: The Executive Power, Part I
The King and His Prerogatives, Article 28

The Throne of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan is hereditary to the dynasty of King Abdullah Ibn Al-Hussein in a direct line through his male heirs as provided hereinafter:

(a) * The Royal title shall pass from the holder of the Throne to his eldest son, and to the eldest son of that son and in linear succession by a similar process thereafter. Should the eldest son die before the Throne devolves upon him, his eldest son shall inherit the Throne, despite the existence of brothers to the deceased son. The King may, however, select one of his brothers as heir apparent. In this event, title to the Throne shall pass to him from the holder of the Throne.

* As amended in the Official Gazette No. 1831 of 1/4/1965

(g) The King attains his majority upon the completion of his eighteenth year according to the lunar calendar. If the Throne devolves upon a person who is below this age, the powers of the King shall be exercised by a Regent or Council of Regency, who shall have been appointed by a Royal Decree by the reigning King. If the King dies without making such nomination, the Council of Ministers shall appoint the Regent or Council of Regency.

http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/const_ch4.html

aardvark

Right, that's the constitutional rule - but try to imagine the politics of a regency council in the world of 2007... this isn't 1951 anymore.

alurdunialhurr

Few Months ago,An Israeli General concluded that Abdullaha will be the the last hashemite,I as Jordanian,would like to see him removed by the people of Jordan because we deserve better.
Over the last several years ,he has sold every public sector to Foreign investment groups that left the country virtually owned by some sleazy foreign investment and their only objective is to maximize their profit,while our people are suffering under his pathetic rules.

Nidal

It is an interesting topic, let’s hope common sense prevails
on the succession point, constitutionally Waleed is obviously right, However the Political / Royal / Military dynamics within Jordan guarantee if this happened anytime soon there is no doubt it will be Hamzeh, the only goal removing him can achieve is to make it possible for it to be otherwise in the distant future.

Mike Artherton

Nice stuff... tough to keep track of all that is happening. I end up reading 100 odd blogs daily. Plus there is news. You could also enrich your blog by adding current news on your blog... try out the news widget from widgetmate.com

Samara

Hey Marc,
There is s an interesting responce to your post. Check it out:
http://shifaa.blogspot.com/2007/07/on-abu-ardvark-marc-lynch-ridiculing.html#links

Salim

When you knock the door loud, you hear an appropriate answer. I thought that your post was written with a superiority Anglosaxson attitude as well.

Salim

I was talking about Shifaa responce

semsem

Oh by the way. You are a supervical writer

Khalid

You should rename your blog into
"Oh by the way"

Markus

What I truley care about is the silly idea that some people are propagating, as if the palestinians want to be in a confederation with jordan, who said they wanted it, did anyone ask them? Or is this the attitude that people generally have towards palestinians? Like they are simply meant to be occupied and dominated:
ottomans-british-zionists-.................

Ali  Daajah

Funny how you describe as a "smart Jordanian" one of the most despised Jordanian bloggers, Batir Wardum, who is considered a mouthpiece for the Jordanian repressive regime. I guess this is consistent with the Axis of Moderates line of thinking.

aardvark

This burst of comments is funny!

Samara, thanks for the link to Shifaa... I never would have seen it otherwise since I've never heard of the blog, and the post didn't show up as a comment, trackback, or any hits. Didn't find his/her post very interesting (the comments were more entertaining, though)... I love it when people argue about substance, but uninformed personal abuse bores me, and Shifaa didn't seem to understand what I wrote. I don't much care about the views of someone who can't be bothered to do the most basic research to find out what I might have written about Jordan before. It isn't that hard...

Ali - I disagree with Batir about most everything politically (which is obviously why I quoted him agreeing with me), but he is smart. Again, I don't mind people who disagree with me. And again, basic research goes a long way: it isn't hard to find out my views on the whole 'Axis of Moderates' thing - which I called in one article the "Axis of Pro-American Dictators."

Semsem - I'll try not be 'supervical'.. :)


Samara

Marc,
It is strange to me that you did not hear of Shifaa blog before since I actually heard about it from a link quoting in your blog!!!! I looked back and found this link.

http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark/2007/02/jordans_christi.html

Jimmy

To the contrary Marc, I think that Shifa raised few issues that are worth discussng. Do not you think that the people of the ME are more interested in economic advances and law and order over the form of the political system whether it was democracy or autocracy or whatever?!

Stability and unifiying figure not bad ideas after all. A strong unifying and central figure who can give a limited democracy that ensures the protection of human rights might be an option that we all have missed. Jordan certainly is an interesting case, do not you think so?

Semsem

I am sure that my English is better than your Arabic. Very classy responce, Professor!!

Ruba

semsem, what protection of human rights in jordan with 30% poverty? 1 of 3 jordanians are starving. how is that protecting human rights? do you even read HRW and AI reports about jordan? you make up myths and you believe them.

Semsem

Ruba,

Where did you get your numbers? Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon have democratized governments! What are the poverty level in those countries? There is no correlation between democracy and economic benefits? This is the myth that you want to believe in

aardvark

Samara -guess I forgot about it, sorry. I used to keep up with Jordanian blogs via Jordan Planet... since it closed down I've lost track of a lot of them.

Semsem - lighten up! It's not like you made any serious comment to which I could have responded.

On the stability vs democracy question, everyone's got a right to their own opinion. But I've seen Arab regimes justify their misrule with the "stability" argument for far too many years - and with so little to show for it by way of economic development or political progress as to render the argument a bitter joke.

Everyone else feel free to carry on, no more comments from me in this thread.

Markus

Its funny how people in Jordan are under the illusion that they are witnessing economic growth. They seem to believe that opening up a couple of malls and a few starbucks here and there means economic growth, a simple peak at the statistics will show a different picture. 15% unemployment (30% estimated by external sources) compare that to the occupied west back(20-23%) thats pretty nasty don't you think, a look at the GDP-GNP, per capita income ($1700) will complete the true picture of "economic growth" and "stability" in Jordan. I am married to am East bank Jordanian, so when we are in gatherings,occasionally, I sneak a peak at some of what the general mood is with both sides, its not good, I haven't seen so much tension between East and West. So I do not understand why some Jordanians seem to be advocating the stability before democracy approach, what have they seen to support their idea, stability in Jordan today is a myth, its not there, I fear that one day the lid will blow off and the whole can of worms will come oozing out, it wont take much,

Let me give you an example in the form of a joke making the rounds recently:

A Salti ( person from Salt) had 50 Dinars deducted from his salary to support the Palestinian cause, he was so frustrated, he donated the rest of his salary to Israel.

Fahmy

Abu Ard, the Jordanians who gloat about economic growth are telling you the truth, some what. There is economic growth in their bank accounts, but for every corrupt Jordanian whose loyalty was subsidized by a regime bribe, hundreds have to go hungry. So your Jordanian pals are not delusional, just pure scum. Their job is to master Liberalspeak and spread in various Western social and cultural circles and praise the wisdom and progress of the regime (x-commie style). Not a conspiracy, but simply like-minded Jordanian scum whose purpose in life is to protect their turf, even if 30% of Jordanians (who are often described by the regime as lazy) have to starve. We call those western-educated Jordanians whose job is to protect and rationalize the rotten status quo "neo-liberals. "

Salim

I like the term neo-liberal. As each one of you comment about Jordan along with the author of this blog who enriched us with the story about the king getting chocked with a piece of bone, I find myself required to respond about about Jordan. Markus, you cracked me up with your figures about unemployment and the decline in economy.
In a matter of fact, last year the Jordanian economcy has witnessed another solid econmoci growth (6%)which is by the way higher than the American economy. So let me enlighten you brother. Instead of sitting around listening to old people talking about politics and consipracy theory of how America is putting us down. You might want to check reliable resources(http://www.banqueaudi.com/geteconomy/jordan/Jordan_economic_report.pdf.)
The figures in the yearly report of 2006 is outstanding and Jordan is one of the few success story in our volatile region. With no natural resources and three civil wars on each of its borders, the kingdom is moving forward beyond its expectation. Areas of construction, banking and toursim particulalry are booming.


Issa

I didn't understand how the removal of Prince Hamza as Crown Prince is connected to the "Jordan Option"?
Anyway, what the constitution dictates is clear; Prince Hussein (Abdullah's eldest son) will become King, before his eighteenth year there will be a regent or a regency council, as it was in 1951, and the Jordanian Regime at that time was less stable than now.
Oh by the way, I can't see any link between the Crown Prince dilemma and the confederation.
Another thing: you've said that the Jordan Option is discussed in American and Israeli circles, well don't say this with a loud voice: it will let the few people (I can assure they're very few in Jordan) who want confederation change their ideas.

Batir Wardam

Ali Daaja you are free to despise me as much as you want, but look..I am not the mouthpieace of anyone. You can disagree with me which is a fundamental right but you have no right to accuse me of being a mouthpiece.

Semsem

Issa,
This post was a collection of incoherent thoughts. What is the relationship between Hamzah and Jordan option? None. Marc thinks that there was no substance in Shifaa's post which was a reponse to his means that his post has no substance to start with!
Batir, do not worry about this guy. I am a fan of yours. Keep on writing and enlightening us

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